This text file contains copies of the following correspondances between myself (chrisf@pipeline.com), Dale Mitbo (webmaster@sailahead.com), and the various addresses of BibleMysteries.com (most of which don't exist) with regards to spam which was first sent to me by bible@inetworld.net. The emails included are, in chronological order: 1. 7/10/97, 01:13 ET From bible@inetworld.net to me: the spam that started it in the first place. 2. 7/10/97, 08:09 ET From me to bible@inetworld.net, with cc's to postmaster@inetworld.net, postmaster@scholarship.org, and postmaster@BibleMysteries.com. 3. 7/10/97, 08:22 ET A response indicating that the scholarship.org host (which was part of Letter #1's headers) does not exist. 4. 7/11/97, 05:50 ET A response from sailahead.com telling me that the postmaster@BibleMysteries.com address does not exist. 5. 7/12/97, 01:29 ET From me to postmaster@sailahead.com, asking them if they control the www.BibleMysteries.com site. 6. 7/14/97, 09:49 ET From Dale Mitbo to me, telling me that SAMSUNG/SAILAhead Internet Services does in fact host the site for www.BibleMysteries.com, that sailahead.com does not condone spamming, and that there's nothing he can do about it. 7. 7/16/97, 03:43 ET From me to Dale Mitbo, asking him if he knew of a valid email address for the spammer, and if he could at least ask the spammers to stop spamming. 8. 7/16/97, 09:48 ET From Dale Mitbo to me, giving me another email address where I could reach the spammer, and telling me that he has told the spammer to stop spamming. 9. 7/16/97, 14:09 ET From me to Dale Mitbo, thanking him for his help. 10. 7/17/97, 02:34 ET From me to bible@biblemysteries.com, repeating the same complaint which I tried to make to them in Letter #1. -------------------------------------------------------------- Letter #1: Return-Path: Received: from inet1.inetworld.net (inet1.inetworld.net [204.216.57.10]) by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27343 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inetworld.net (n207211033046.inetworld.net [207.211.33.46]) by inet1.inetworld.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA16281 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 03:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.scholarship.org (alt1.scholarship.org(206.1.562.999)) by bible@inetworld.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA07284 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:13:24 -0600 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:13:24 EST From: bible@inetworld.net To: chrisf@pipeline.com Subject: Mysteries of the Bible - Live Message-ID: <144523806421342786@scholarship.org> Reply-To: bible@inetworld.net X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 X-UIDL: 3273373288a65eb1890m0762123a Comments: Authenticated sender is Dear chrisf@pipeline.com, Where was I before I was so rudely interrupted? We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the "perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a lot of help and patience, most things have been restored and hence this letter. NOW THE GOOD NEWS. The site is open at www.BibleMysteries.com The first six lectures are posted and now have many graphics attached and there is we believe a lot of fascinating material posted in the library. We encourage you to browse around. For those of you who cannot log onto the site we can send you via snail-mail copies of everything in colour, but there is quite a great deal of it and we would be very grateful for an appropriate contribution to help with the cost. In any case ALL future lectures will be sent our every Friday via e-mail (without graphics of course) and simultaneously posted on the site with the appropriate graphics. The following Tuesday at 8 p.m. Pacific Time we will have an open discussion on that particular subject in one of the chat-rooms and at least one major expert in that particular field will be available to debate the issues and answer questions. The subject matter and guest available will be posted in advance on the "Stop Press" section on our Home page. We have tens of thousands of new subscribers who have not yet had a chance to read and discuss these first six lectures and we therefore will start to send new lectures out at the end of July. New material however will be added almost on a daily basis in the library and when we find more and better graphics and addenda to enhance the material already posted. There will be TWO bookshops available for your convenience. The first will have available all those books mentioned in the lectures and in the bibliography at the end of each lecture and in each of the library pieces. Most of these books and CDs are not readily available at regular bookshops. For example Encyclopaedia Britannica on CD, Bible Codes Programmes on CD, CD versions of Bible studies etc. can be obtained in this store via credit card as well as books on Egyptology and Biblical Archaeology published by Histories and Mysteries of Man. Needless to say those who have expressed willingness to support us financially can also make their donations via this store through their credit card. All books will be sent via UPS ground in the U.S.A. and via sea mail overseas except where there is a local wholesaler or distributer in the country concerned. In addition the MB Book Shop will also be available where most books in print can be purchased exactly like any other on-line bookshop. We hope you will buy your books through this store because the "profits" will go to running the site. Please remember that the site is a search for the truth and your contributions are very welcome. We will post those we feel add to that serious search. We look forward to finally meeting with you very soon. Ever Michael S. Sanders Mysteries of the Bible 14252 Culver Drive Suite A-137 Irvine CA 92620 U.S.A. July 1997 ----------------------------------------------------- Letter #2 >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:09:47 >To: bible@inetworld.net >From: Christopher Flaherty >Subject: Re: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >Cc: postmaster@inetworld.net, postmaster@scholarship.org, postmaster@BibleMysteries.com > >>We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >>was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >>"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >>months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >>hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >>prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >>lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >>and hence this letter. > >What the fuck are you talking about??? I never asked for you to send me this! I am GLAD someone bombed your hard disk! It serves you right for indiscriminately spamming people like this! I am not a Christian, I have no interest in the Bible, and I certainly DO NOT have ANY interest in being prostelytized by idiots like you. Your postmasters are being notified. > >Christopher Flaherty >chrisf@pipeline.com > > >At 01:13 AM 7/10/97 EST, bible@inetworld.net wrote: >>Return-Path: >>Received: from inet1.inetworld.net (inet1.inetworld.net [204.216.57.10]) >> by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27343 >> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:18:19 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from mail.inetworld.net (n207211033046.inetworld.net [207.211.33.46]) by inet1.inetworld.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA16281 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 03:18:33 -0700 (PDT) >>Received: from mailhost.scholarship.org (alt1.scholarship.org(206.1.562.999)) by bible@inetworld.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA07284 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:13:24 -0600 (EST) >>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:13:24 EST >>From: bible@inetworld.net >>To: chrisf@pipeline.com >>Subject: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >>Message-ID: <144523806421342786@scholarship.org> >>Reply-To: bible@inetworld.net >>X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >>X-UIDL: 3273373288a65eb1890m0762123a >>Comments: Authenticated sender is >> >>Dear chrisf@pipeline.com, >> >>Where was I before I was so rudely interrupted? >> >>We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >>was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >>"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >>months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >>hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >>prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >>lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >>and hence this letter. >> >> >>NOW THE GOOD NEWS. >> >>The site is open at >> >>www.BibleMysteries.com >> >>The first six lectures are posted and now have many >>graphics attached and there is we believe a lot of >>fascinating material posted in the library. We encourage >>you to browse around. >> >>For those of you who cannot log onto the site we can send >>you via snail-mail copies of everything in colour, but >>there is quite a great deal of it and we would be very >>grateful for an appropriate contribution to help with the >>cost. >> >>In any case ALL future lectures will be sent our every >>Friday via e-mail (without graphics of course) and >>simultaneously posted on the site with the appropriate >>graphics. The following Tuesday at 8 p.m. Pacific Time we >>will have an open discussion on that particular subject in >>one of the chat-rooms and at least one major expert in that >>particular field will be available to debate the issues and >>answer questions. >> >>The subject matter and guest available will be posted in >>advance on the "Stop Press" section on our Home page. >> >>We have tens of thousands of new subscribers who have not >>yet had a chance to read and discuss these first six >>lectures and we therefore will start to send new lectures >>out at the end of July. >> >>New material however will be added almost on a daily basis >>in the library and when we find more and better graphics >>and addenda to enhance the material already posted. >> >>There will be TWO bookshops available for your convenience. >> >>The first will have available all those books mentioned in >>the lectures and in the bibliography at the end of each >>lecture and in each of the library pieces. Most of these >>books and CDs are not readily available at regular >>bookshops. For example Encyclopaedia Britannica on CD, >>Bible Codes Programmes on CD, CD versions of Bible studies >>etc. can be obtained in this store via credit card as well >>as books on Egyptology and Biblical Archaeology published >>by Histories and Mysteries of Man. Needless to say those >>who have expressed willingness to support us financially >>can also make their donations via this store through their >>credit card. All books will be sent via UPS ground in the >>U.S.A. and via sea mail overseas except where there is a >>local wholesaler or distributer in the country concerned. >> >>In addition the MB Book Shop will also be available where >>most books in print can be purchased exactly like any other >>on-line bookshop. We hope you will buy your books through >>this store because the "profits" will go to running the >>site. >> >>Please remember that the site is a search for the truth and >>your contributions are very welcome. We will post those we >>feel add to that serious search. >> >>We look forward to finally meeting with you very soon. >> >>Ever >> >> >>Michael S. Sanders >> >>Mysteries of the Bible >>14252 Culver Drive >>Suite A-137 >>Irvine CA 92620 >>U.S.A. >> >>July 1997 >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------- Letter #3 Return-Path: <> Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com (brickbat9.mindspring.com [207.69.200.12]) by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14617 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with internal id IAA07898; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199707101222.IAA07898@brickbat9.mindspring.com> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="IAA07898.868537377/brickbat9.mindspring.com" Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: scholarship.org: host not found) Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) The original message was received at Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) from ip142.an17-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.28.142] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: scholarship.org: host not found) Reporting-MTA: dns; brickbat9.mindspring.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; ip142.an17-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net Arrival-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; postmaster@scholarship.org Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; scholarship.org Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Return-Path: Received: from LOCALNAME (ip142.an17-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.28.142]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07866; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970710080947.33af586e@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: chrisf@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bible@inetworld.net From: Christopher Flaherty Subject: Re: Mysteries of the Bible - Live Cc: postmaster@inetworld.net, postmaster@scholarship.org, postmaster@BibleMysteries.com >We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >and hence this letter. What the fuck are you talking about??? I never asked for you to send me this! I am GLAD someone bombed your hard disk! It serves you right for indiscriminately spamming people like this! I am not a Christian, I have no interest in the Bible, and I certainly DO NOT have ANY interest in being prostelytized by idiots like you. Your postmasters are being notified. Christopher Flaherty chrisf@pipeline.com At 01:13 AM 7/10/97 EST, bible@inetworld.net wrote: >Return-Path: >Received: from inet1.inetworld.net (inet1.inetworld.net [204.216.57.10]) > by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27343 > for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:18:19 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.inetworld.net (n207211033046.inetworld.net [207.211.33.46]) by inet1.inetworld.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA16281 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 03:18:33 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from mailhost.scholarship.org (alt1.scholarship.org(206.1.562.999)) by bible@inetworld.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA07284 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:13:24 -0600 (EST) >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:13:24 EST >From: bible@inetworld.net >To: chrisf@pipeline.com >Subject: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >Message-ID: <144523806421342786@scholarship.org> >Reply-To: bible@inetworld.net >X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >X-UIDL: 3273373288a65eb1890m0762123a >Comments: Authenticated sender is > >Dear chrisf@pipeline.com, > >Where was I before I was so rudely interrupted? > >We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >and hence this letter. > > >NOW THE GOOD NEWS. > >The site is open at > >www.BibleMysteries.com > >The first six lectures are posted and now have many >graphics attached and there is we believe a lot of >fascinating material posted in the library. We encourage >you to browse around. > >For those of you who cannot log onto the site we can send >you via snail-mail copies of everything in colour, but >there is quite a great deal of it and we would be very >grateful for an appropriate contribution to help with the >cost. > >In any case ALL future lectures will be sent our every >Friday via e-mail (without graphics of course) and >simultaneously posted on the site with the appropriate >graphics. The following Tuesday at 8 p.m. Pacific Time we >will have an open discussion on that particular subject in >one of the chat-rooms and at least one major expert in that >particular field will be available to debate the issues and >answer questions. > >The subject matter and guest available will be posted in >advance on the "Stop Press" section on our Home page. > >We have tens of thousands of new subscribers who have not >yet had a chance to read and discuss these first six >lectures and we therefore will start to send new lectures >out at the end of July. > >New material however will be added almost on a daily basis >in the library and when we find more and better graphics >and addenda to enhance the material already posted. > >There will be TWO bookshops available for your convenience. > >The first will have available all those books mentioned in >the lectures and in the bibliography at the end of each >lecture and in each of the library pieces. Most of these >books and CDs are not readily available at regular >bookshops. For example Encyclopaedia Britannica on CD, >Bible Codes Programmes on CD, CD versions of Bible studies >etc. can be obtained in this store via credit card as well >as books on Egyptology and Biblical Archaeology published >by Histories and Mysteries of Man. Needless to say those >who have expressed willingness to support us financially >can also make their donations via this store through their >credit card. All books will be sent via UPS ground in the >U.S.A. and via sea mail overseas except where there is a >local wholesaler or distributer in the country concerned. > >In addition the MB Book Shop will also be available where >most books in print can be purchased exactly like any other >on-line bookshop. We hope you will buy your books through >this store because the "profits" will go to running the >site. > >Please remember that the site is a search for the truth and >your contributions are very welcome. We will post those we >feel add to that serious search. > >We look forward to finally meeting with you very soon. > >Ever > > >Michael S. Sanders > >Mysteries of the Bible >14252 Culver Drive >Suite A-137 >Irvine CA 92620 >U.S.A. > >July 1997 > > ------------------------------------------------------- Letter #4: Return-Path: <> Received: from mips-1.sailahead.com (mips-1.sailahead.com [199.107.95.10]) by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03067 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:51:22 -0400 (EDT) To: chrisf@pipeline.com From: Mail Administrator Reply-To: Mail Administrator Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 05:50:34 -0700 Message-ID: <19970711125034450.AAA176@mips-1.sailahead.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="===========================_ _= 1178894(176)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: A message was not delivered because it would create a mail loop. The addresses below do not belong to any accounts on this machine, so an attempt was made to forward the message to the destination host. However, the destination host is THIS machine, but under a different name. Here are a few possible solutions for clearing up this problem: - return the mail since the address was invalid - add an account or alias for the recipient and resubmit the message If this machine should be handling all mail for the destination host, it should be added to the list of Local-Mail-Domains in the "system" configuration. Destination host: biblemysteries.com The following recipients did not receive this message: Please reply to Postmaster@mips-1.sailahead.com if you feel this message to be in error. Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.12]) by mips-1.sailahead.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-14033) with ESMTP id AAA246 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:21:52 -0700 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip142.an17-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.28.142]) by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07866; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970710080947.33af586e@pop.pipeline.com> X-Sender: chrisf@pop.pipeline.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: bible@inetworld.net From: Christopher Flaherty Subject: Re: Mysteries of the Bible - Live Cc: postmaster@inetworld.net, postmaster@scholarship.org, postmaster@BibleMysteries.com >We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >and hence this letter. What the fuck are you talking about??? I never asked for you to send me this! I am GLAD someone bombed your hard disk! It serves you right for indiscriminately spamming people like this! I am not a Christian, I have no interest in the Bible, and I certainly DO NOT have ANY interest in being prostelytized by idiots like you. Your postmasters are being notified. Christopher Flaherty chrisf@pipeline.com At 01:13 AM 7/10/97 EST, bible@inetworld.net wrote: >Return-Path: >Received: from inet1.inetworld.net (inet1.inetworld.net [204.216.57.10]) > by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27343 > for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:18:19 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail.inetworld.net (n207211033046.inetworld.net [207.211.33.46]) by inet1.inetworld.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA16281 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 03:18:33 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from mailhost.scholarship.org (alt1.scholarship.org(206.1.562.999)) by bible@inetworld.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA07284 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:13:24 -0600 (EST) >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:13:24 EST >From: bible@inetworld.net >To: chrisf@pipeline.com >Subject: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >Message-ID: <144523806421342786@scholarship.org> >Reply-To: bible@inetworld.net >X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >X-UIDL: 3273373288a65eb1890m0762123a >Comments: Authenticated sender is > >Dear chrisf@pipeline.com, > >Where was I before I was so rudely interrupted? > >We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >and hence this letter. > > >NOW THE GOOD NEWS. > >The site is open at > >www.BibleMysteries.com > >The first six lectures are posted and now have many >graphics attached and there is we believe a lot of >fascinating material posted in the library. We encourage >you to browse around. > >For those of you who cannot log onto the site we can send >you via snail-mail copies of everything in colour, but >there is quite a great deal of it and we would be very >grateful for an appropriate contribution to help with the >cost. > >In any case ALL future lectures will be sent our every >Friday via e-mail (without graphics of course) and >simultaneously posted on the site with the appropriate >graphics. The following Tuesday at 8 p.m. Pacific Time we >will have an open discussion on that particular subject in >one of the chat-rooms and at least one major expert in that >particular field will be available to debate the issues and >answer questions. > >The subject matter and guest available will be posted in >advance on the "Stop Press" section on our Home page. > >We have tens of thousands of new subscribers who have not >yet had a chance to read and discuss these first six >lectures and we therefore will start to send new lectures >out at the end of July. > >New material however will be added almost on a daily basis >in the library and when we find more and better graphics >and addenda to enhance the material already posted. > >There will be TWO bookshops available for your convenience. > >The first will have available all those books mentioned in >the lectures and in the bibliography at the end of each >lecture and in each of the library pieces. Most of these >books and CDs are not readily available at regular >bookshops. For example Encyclopaedia Britannica on CD, >Bible Codes Programmes on CD, CD versions of Bible studies >etc. can be obtained in this store via credit card as well >as books on Egyptology and Biblical Archaeology published >by Histories and Mysteries of Man. Needless to say those >who have expressed willingness to support us financially >can also make their donations via this store through their >credit card. All books will be sent via UPS ground in the >U.S.A. and via sea mail overseas except where there is a >local wholesaler or distributer in the country concerned. > >In addition the MB Book Shop will also be available where >most books in print can be purchased exactly like any other >on-line bookshop. We hope you will buy your books through >this store because the "profits" will go to running the >site. > >Please remember that the site is a search for the truth and >your contributions are very welcome. We will post those we >feel add to that serious search. > >We look forward to finally meeting with you very soon. > >Ever > > >Michael S. Sanders > >Mysteries of the Bible >14252 Culver Drive >Suite A-137 >Irvine CA 92620 >U.S.A. > >July 1997 > > ------------------------------------------------------- Letter #5: >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 01:29:29 >To: Mail Administrator >From: Christopher Flaherty >Subject: Re: Mail System Error - Returned Mail > >Are you the person I should be complaining to? I'm trying to send a complaint to whoever the administrator is for the following spammer's website: www.BibleMysteries.com. They spammed me recently, and postmaster@BibleMysteries.com seemed like one of the few genuine return addresses in the email I received. > >Christopher Flaherty >chrisf@pipeline.com > > >At 05:50 AM 7/11/97 -0700, Mail Administrator wrote: >>This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: >> >>A message was not delivered because it would create a mail loop. >> >>The addresses below do not belong to any accounts on this machine, >>so an attempt was made to forward the message to the destination >>host. However, the destination host is THIS machine, but under >>a different name. >> >>Here are a few possible solutions for clearing up this problem: >> >> - return the mail since the address was invalid >> >> - add an account or alias for the recipient and >> resubmit the message >> >>If this machine should be handling all mail for the destination >>host, it should be added to the list of Local-Mail-Domains in >>the "system" configuration. >> >> Destination host: biblemysteries.com >> >>The following recipients did not receive this message: >> >> >> >>Please reply to Postmaster@mips-1.sailahead.com >>if you feel this message to be in error. >>Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.12]) >> by mips-1.sailahead.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-14033) >> with ESMTP id AAA246 for ; >> Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:21:52 -0700 >>Received: from LOCALNAME (ip142.an17-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.28.142]) >> by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07866; >> Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) >>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) >>Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970710080947.33af586e@pop.pipeline.com> >>X-Sender: chrisf@pop.pipeline.com >>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>To: bible@inetworld.net >>From: Christopher Flaherty >>Subject: Re: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >>Cc: postmaster@inetworld.net, postmaster@scholarship.org, >> postmaster@BibleMysteries.com >> >>>We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >>>was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >>>"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >>>months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >>>hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >>>prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >>>lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >>>and hence this letter. >> >>What the fuck are you talking about??? I never asked for you to send me >>this! I am GLAD someone bombed your hard disk! It serves you right for >>indiscriminately spamming people like this! I am not a Christian, I have no >>interest in the Bible, and I certainly DO NOT have ANY interest in being >>prostelytized by idiots like you. Your postmasters are being notified. >> >>Christopher Flaherty >>chrisf@pipeline.com >> >> >>At 01:13 AM 7/10/97 EST, bible@inetworld.net wrote: >>>Return-Path: >>>Received: from inet1.inetworld.net (inet1.inetworld.net [204.216.57.10]) >>> by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27343 >>> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:18:19 -0400 (EDT) >>>Received: from mail.inetworld.net (n207211033046.inetworld.net >>[207.211.33.46]) by inet1.inetworld.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA16281 >>for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 03:18:33 -0700 (PDT) >>>Received: from mailhost.scholarship.org >>(alt1.scholarship.org(206.1.562.999)) by bible@inetworld.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) >>with SMTP id GAA07284 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:13:24 >>-0600 (EST) >>>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:13:24 EST >>>From: bible@inetworld.net >>>To: chrisf@pipeline.com >>>Subject: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >>>Message-ID: <144523806421342786@scholarship.org> >>>Reply-To: bible@inetworld.net >>>X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >>>X-UIDL: 3273373288a65eb1890m0762123a >>>Comments: Authenticated sender is >>> >>>Dear chrisf@pipeline.com, >>> >>>Where was I before I was so rudely interrupted? >>> >>>We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >>>was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >>>"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >>>months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >>>hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >>>prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >>>lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >>>and hence this letter. >>> >>> >>>NOW THE GOOD NEWS. >>> >>>The site is open at >>> >>>www.BibleMysteries.com >>> >>>The first six lectures are posted and now have many >>>graphics attached and there is we believe a lot of >>>fascinating material posted in the library. We encourage >>>you to browse around. >>> >>>For those of you who cannot log onto the site we can send >>>you via snail-mail copies of everything in colour, but >>>there is quite a great deal of it and we would be very >>>grateful for an appropriate contribution to help with the >>>cost. >>> >>>In any case ALL future lectures will be sent our every >>>Friday via e-mail (without graphics of course) and >>>simultaneously posted on the site with the appropriate >>>graphics. The following Tuesday at 8 p.m. Pacific Time we >>>will have an open discussion on that particular subject in >>>one of the chat-rooms and at least one major expert in that >>>particular field will be available to debate the issues and >>>answer questions. >>> >>>The subject matter and guest available will be posted in >>>advance on the "Stop Press" section on our Home page. >>> >>>We have tens of thousands of new subscribers who have not >>>yet had a chance to read and discuss these first six >>>lectures and we therefore will start to send new lectures >>>out at the end of July. >>> >>>New material however will be added almost on a daily basis >>>in the library and when we find more and better graphics >>>and addenda to enhance the material already posted. >>> >>>There will be TWO bookshops available for your convenience. >>> >>>The first will have available all those books mentioned in >>>the lectures and in the bibliography at the end of each >>>lecture and in each of the library pieces. Most of these >>>books and CDs are not readily available at regular >>>bookshops. For example Encyclopaedia Britannica on CD, >>>Bible Codes Programmes on CD, CD versions of Bible studies >>>etc. can be obtained in this store via credit card as well >>>as books on Egyptology and Biblical Archaeology published >>>by Histories and Mysteries of Man. Needless to say those >>>who have expressed willingness to support us financially >>>can also make their donations via this store through their >>>credit card. All books will be sent via UPS ground in the >>>U.S.A. and via sea mail overseas except where there is a >>>local wholesaler or distributer in the country concerned. >>> >>>In addition the MB Book Shop will also be available where >>>most books in print can be purchased exactly like any other >>>on-line bookshop. We hope you will buy your books through >>>this store because the "profits" will go to running the >>>site. >>> >>>Please remember that the site is a search for the truth and >>>your contributions are very welcome. We will post those we >>>feel add to that serious search. >>> >>>We look forward to finally meeting with you very soon. >>> >>>Ever >>> >>> >>>Michael S. Sanders >>> >>>Mysteries of the Bible >>>14252 Culver Drive >>>Suite A-137 >>>Irvine CA 92620 >>>U.S.A. >>> >>>July 1997 >>> >>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------- Letter #6 Return-Path: Received: from mips-1.sailahead.com (mips-1.sailahead.com [199.107.95.10]) by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18317 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmaster ([199.107.95.205]) by mips-1.sailahead.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-14033) with SMTP id AAA267 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:48:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970714094942.009dbcd0@mail.sailahead.com> X-Sender: webmaster@mail.sailahead.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:49:43 -0700 To: Christopher Flaherty From: "Dale Mitbo" Subject: Re: Mail System Error - Returned Mail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Christopher, We are an Internet provider and we don't do spamming. We don't allow it. We just host the site for BibleMysteries.com. The spamming activities by BibleMysteries occur outside of our systems and control. Please accept my apologies for the undesired emails that you received from the website. I don't care for junk email either. We have a policy here that we do not endorsee or perform any spamming efforts. Unfortunately, we cannot prevent someone from using an outside source to do their spamming. Dale Mitbo Webmaster SAMSUNG/SAILAhead Internet Services At 01:29 AM 7/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >Are you the person I should be complaining to? I'm trying to send a >complaint to whoever the administrator is for the following spammer's >website: www.BibleMysteries.com. They spammed me recently, and >postmaster@BibleMysteries.com seemed like one of the few genuine return >addresses in the email I received. > >Christopher Flaherty >chrisf@pipeline.com > > >At 05:50 AM 7/11/97 -0700, Mail Administrator wrote: >>This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: >> >>A message was not delivered because it would create a mail loop. >> >>The addresses below do not belong to any accounts on this machine, >>so an attempt was made to forward the message to the destination >>host. However, the destination host is THIS machine, but under >>a different name. >> >>Here are a few possible solutions for clearing up this problem: >> >> - return the mail since the address was invalid >> >> - add an account or alias for the recipient and >> resubmit the message >> >>If this machine should be handling all mail for the destination >>host, it should be added to the list of Local-Mail-Domains in >>the "system" configuration. >> >> Destination host: biblemysteries.com >> >>The following recipients did not receive this message: >> >> >> >>Please reply to Postmaster@mips-1.sailahead.com >>if you feel this message to be in error. >>Received: from brickbat9.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.12]) >> by mips-1.sailahead.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-14033) >> with ESMTP id AAA246 for ; >> Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:21:52 -0700 >>Received: from LOCALNAME (ip142.an17-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net >[38.26.28.142]) >> by brickbat9.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07866; >> Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) >>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:22:46 -0400 (EDT) >>Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970710080947.33af586e@pop.pipeline.com> >>X-Sender: chrisf@pop.pipeline.com >>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>To: bible@inetworld.net >>From: Christopher Flaherty >>Subject: Re: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >>Cc: postmaster@inetworld.net, postmaster@scholarship.org, >> postmaster@BibleMysteries.com >> >>>We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >>>was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >>>"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >>>months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >>>hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >>>prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >>>lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >>>and hence this letter. >> >>What the fuck are you talking about??? I never asked for you to send me >>this! I am GLAD someone bombed your hard disk! It serves you right for >>indiscriminately spamming people like this! I am not a Christian, I have no >>interest in the Bible, and I certainly DO NOT have ANY interest in being >>prostelytized by idiots like you. Your postmasters are being notified. >> >>Christopher Flaherty >>chrisf@pipeline.com >> >> >>At 01:13 AM 7/10/97 EST, bible@inetworld.net wrote: >>>Return-Path: >>>Received: from inet1.inetworld.net (inet1.inetworld.net [204.216.57.10]) >>> by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27343 >>> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:18:19 -0400 (EDT) >>>Received: from mail.inetworld.net (n207211033046.inetworld.net >>[207.211.33.46]) by inet1.inetworld.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA16281 >>for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 03:18:33 -0700 (PDT) >>>Received: from mailhost.scholarship.org >>(alt1.scholarship.org(206.1.562.999)) by bible@inetworld.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) >>with SMTP id GAA07284 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:13:24 >>-0600 (EST) >>>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:13:24 EST >>>From: bible@inetworld.net >>>To: chrisf@pipeline.com >>>Subject: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >>>Message-ID: <144523806421342786@scholarship.org> >>>Reply-To: bible@inetworld.net >>>X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >>>X-UIDL: 3273373288a65eb1890m0762123a >>>Comments: Authenticated sender is >>> >>>Dear chrisf@pipeline.com, >>> >>>Where was I before I was so rudely interrupted? >>> >>>We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >>>was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >>>"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >>>months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >>>hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >>>prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >>>lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >>>and hence this letter. >>> >>> >>>NOW THE GOOD NEWS. >>> >>>The site is open at >>> >>>www.BibleMysteries.com >>> >>>The first six lectures are posted and now have many >>>graphics attached and there is we believe a lot of >>>fascinating material posted in the library. We encourage >>>you to browse around. >>> >>>For those of you who cannot log onto the site we can send >>>you via snail-mail copies of everything in colour, but >>>there is quite a great deal of it and we would be very >>>grateful for an appropriate contribution to help with the >>>cost. >>> >>>In any case ALL future lectures will be sent our every >>>Friday via e-mail (without graphics of course) and >>>simultaneously posted on the site with the appropriate >>>graphics. The following Tuesday at 8 p.m. Pacific Time we >>>will have an open discussion on that particular subject in >>>one of the chat-rooms and at least one major expert in that >>>particular field will be available to debate the issues and >>>answer questions. >>> >>>The subject matter and guest available will be posted in >>>advance on the "Stop Press" section on our Home page. >>> >>>We have tens of thousands of new subscribers who have not >>>yet had a chance to read and discuss these first six >>>lectures and we therefore will start to send new lectures >>>out at the end of July. >>> >>>New material however will be added almost on a daily basis >>>in the library and when we find more and better graphics >>>and addenda to enhance the material already posted. >>> >>>There will be TWO bookshops available for your convenience. >>> >>>The first will have available all those books mentioned in >>>the lectures and in the bibliography at the end of each >>>lecture and in each of the library pieces. Most of these >>>books and CDs are not readily available at regular >>>bookshops. For example Encyclopaedia Britannica on CD, >>>Bible Codes Programmes on CD, CD versions of Bible studies >>>etc. can be obtained in this store via credit card as well >>>as books on Egyptology and Biblical Archaeology published >>>by Histories and Mysteries of Man. Needless to say those >>>who have expressed willingness to support us financially >>>can also make their donations via this store through their >>>credit card. All books will be sent via UPS ground in the >>>U.S.A. and via sea mail overseas except where there is a >>>local wholesaler or distributer in the country concerned. >>> >>>In addition the MB Book Shop will also be available where >>>most books in print can be purchased exactly like any other >>>on-line bookshop. We hope you will buy your books through >>>this store because the "profits" will go to running the >>>site. >>> >>>Please remember that the site is a search for the truth and >>>your contributions are very welcome. We will post those we >>>feel add to that serious search. >>> >>>We look forward to finally meeting with you very soon. >>> >>>Ever >>> >>> >>>Michael S. Sanders >>> >>>Mysteries of the Bible >>>14252 Culver Drive >>>Suite A-137 >>>Irvine CA 92620 >>>U.S.A. >>> >>>July 1997 >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------- Letter #7: >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 03:23:36 >To: "Dale Mitbo" >From: Christopher Flaherty >Subject: Re: Mail System Error - Returned Mail > >At 09:49 AM 7/14/97 -0700, Dale Mitbo wrote: >>Dear Christopher, >> >>We are an Internet provider and we don't do spamming. We don't allow it. We >>just host the site for BibleMysteries.com. The spamming activities by >>BibleMysteries occur outside of our systems and control. >> >>Please accept my apologies for the undesired emails that you received from >>the website. I don't care for junk email either. We have a policy here that >>we do not endorsee or perform any spamming efforts. Unfortunately, we >>cannot prevent someone from using an outside source to do their spamming. >> >>Dale Mitbo >>Webmaster >>SAMSUNG/SAILAhead Internet Services >> >> > >Well, tell me this: Can you either give me a valid email address where I can complain to them and their postmaster, or can you forward my complaint to them to make sure they actually get it? Because someone should have to answer for this spam eventually. > >Along the same lines: Doesn't it concern you that all this spam they're sending out is directing people towards a web site on your domain? I know you say you don't endorse spam, but if you don't take any action to at least *ask* them to stop it, then you give the impression that you condone it--as long as the spamming is done from some some other domain and advertises your system in the process. > >Please let me know if I'm mistaken. My sincere apologies if I have the wrong impression. > >Christopher Flaherty >chrisf@pipeline.com > -------------------------------------------------------- Letter #8: Return-Path: Received: from mips-1.sailahead.com (mips-1.sailahead.com [199.107.95.10]) by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10342 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmaster ([199.107.95.205]) by mips-1.sailahead.com (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-14033) with SMTP id AAA223; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:47:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970716094837.009da1c0@mail.sailahead.com> X-Sender: webmaster@mail.sailahead.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:48:37 -0700 To: Christopher Flaherty From: "Dale Mitbo" Subject: No spamming policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:24 AM 7/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:49 AM 7/14/97 -0700, Dale Mitbo wrote: >>Dear Christopher, >> >>We are an Internet provider and we don't do spamming. We don't allow it. We >>just host the site for BibleMysteries.com. The spamming activities by >>BibleMysteries occur outside of our systems and control. >> >>Please accept my apologies for the undesired emails that you received from >>the website. I don't care for junk email either. We have a policy here that >>we do not endorsee or perform any spamming efforts. Unfortunately, we >>cannot prevent someone from using an outside source to do their spamming. >> >>Dale Mitbo >>Webmaster >>SAMSUNG/SAILAhead Internet Services >> >> > >Well, tell me this: Can you either give me a valid email address where I >can complain to them and their postmaster, or can you forward my complaint >to them to make sure they actually get it? Because someone should have to >answer for this spam eventually. On their website, and email address is visible on the first page. It is bible@biblemysteries.com > >Along the same lines: Doesn't it concern you that all this spam they're >sending out is directing people towards a web site on your domain? I know >you say you don't endorse spam, but if you don't take any action to at least >*ask* them to stop it, then you give the impression that you condone it--as >long as the spamming is done from some some other domain and advertises your >system in the process. We don't allow spamming through our system. We have notified him that we do not want him spamming through our system. Since spamming is not illegal, there is not much more we can do. Currently, the state of our email server software does not allow us to prevent him from routing his spamming activities through our email server. We are working on getting better email server software to remedy this problem. > >Please let me know if I'm mistaken. My sincere apologies if I have the >wrong impression. I really understand your position, and no offence was taken. I don't feel spamming should be allowed. The current state of internet technology in common practice today does not address this type of usage of email communications. Hopefully, future versions of email servers and email clients will address spamming in a positive way, allowing junk mail to be organized in such a way to allow individuals to regulate their preferences. Dale Mitbo Webmaster SAMSUNG/SAILAhead Internet Services ------------------------------------------------------- Letter #9: >Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:09:59 >To: "Dale Mitbo" >From: Christopher Flaherty >Subject: Re: No spamming policy > >At 09:48 AM 7/16/97 -0700, Dale Mitbo wrote: > >> >> >>I really understand your position, and no offence was taken. I don't feel >>spamming should be allowed. The current state of internet technology in >>common practice today does not address this type of usage of email >>communications. Hopefully, future versions of email servers and email >>clients will address spamming in a positive way, allowing junk mail to be >>organized in such a way to allow individuals to regulate their preferences. >Thanks for your reply. Sorry if I seemed hostile in the beginning, but sometimes all this junk can wear on my nerves. Anyway, it's good to know that you're one of the people who's working towards eradicating spam, and I give you credit for your policy. If there's anything else I can do to help, please let me know. > > -------------------------------------------------------- Letter #10: >Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 02:34:09 >To: bible@biblemysteries.com >From: Christopher Flaherty >Subject: Re: Mysteries of the Bible - Live > >Finally, I find your real email address. Awfully difficult to reply to you if you don't include it in your spam, you know. Don't bother replying unless it's to say you're never going to spam again. > >>We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >>was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >>"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >>months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >>hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >>prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >>lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >>and hence this letter. > >What the fuck are you talking about??? I never asked for you to send me this! I am GLAD someone bombed your hard disk! It serves you right for indiscriminately spamming people like this! I am not a Christian, I have no interest in the Bible, and I certainly DO NOT have ANY interest in being proselytized by idiots like you. Your postmasters are being notified. > >Christopher Flaherty >chrisf@pipeline.com > > >At 01:13 AM 7/10/97 EST, bible@inetworld.net wrote: >>Return-Path: >>Received: from inet1.inetworld.net (inet1.inetworld.net [204.216.57.10]) >> by sieve0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27343 >> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:18:19 -0400 (EDT) >>Received: from mail.inetworld.net (n207211033046.inetworld.net [207.211.33.46]) by inet1.inetworld.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA16281 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 03:18:33 -0700 (PDT) >>Received: from mailhost.scholarship.org (alt1.scholarship.org(206.1.562.999)) by bible@inetworld.net (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA07284 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 01:13:24 -0600 (EST) >>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 01:13:24 EST >>From: bible@inetworld.net >>To: chrisf@pipeline.com >>Subject: Mysteries of the Bible - Live >>Message-ID: <144523806421342786@scholarship.org> >>Reply-To: bible@inetworld.net >>X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >>X-UIDL: 3273373288a65eb1890m0762123a >>Comments: Authenticated sender is >> >>Dear chrisf@pipeline.com, >> >>Where was I before I was so rudely interrupted? >> >>We are of course terribly sorry for all the delays, Murphy >>was an optimist and I will not burden you with all the >>"perils of Pauline" which have befallen us in the last six >>months ..... suffice it to say that they culminated in our >>hard disk bombing out a few weeks ago and the horrible >>prospect of all our subscribers names being lost. With a >>lot of help and patience, most things have been restored >>and hence this letter. >> >> >>NOW THE GOOD NEWS. >> >>The site is open at >> >>www.BibleMysteries.com >> >>The first six lectures are posted and now have many >>graphics attached and there is we believe a lot of >>fascinating material posted in the library. We encourage >>you to browse around. >> >>For those of you who cannot log onto the site we can send >>you via snail-mail copies of everything in colour, but >>there is quite a great deal of it and we would be very >>grateful for an appropriate contribution to help with the >>cost. >> >>In any case ALL future lectures will be sent our every >>Friday via e-mail (without graphics of course) and >>simultaneously posted on the site with the appropriate >>graphics. The following Tuesday at 8 p.m. Pacific Time we >>will have an open discussion on that particular subject in >>one of the chat-rooms and at least one major expert in that >>particular field will be available to debate the issues and >>answer questions. >> >>The subject matter and guest available will be posted in >>advance on the "Stop Press" section on our Home page. >> >>We have tens of thousands of new subscribers who have not >>yet had a chance to read and discuss these first six >>lectures and we therefore will start to send new lectures >>out at the end of July. >> >>New material however will be added almost on a daily basis >>in the library and when we find more and better graphics >>and addenda to enhance the material already posted. >> >>There will be TWO bookshops available for your convenience. >> >>The first will have available all those books mentioned in >>the lectures and in the bibliography at the end of each >>lecture and in each of the library pieces. Most of these >>books and CDs are not readily available at regular >>bookshops. For example Encyclopaedia Britannica on CD, >>Bible Codes Programmes on CD, CD versions of Bible studies >>etc. can be obtained in this store via credit card as well >>as books on Egyptology and Biblical Archaeology published >>by Histories and Mysteries of Man. Needless to say those >>who have expressed willingness to support us financially >>can also make their donations via this store through their >>credit card. All books will be sent via UPS ground in the >>U.S.A. and via sea mail overseas except where there is a >>local wholesaler or distributer in the country concerned. >> >>In addition the MB Book Shop will also be available where >>most books in print can be purchased exactly like any other >>on-line bookshop. We hope you will buy your books through >>this store because the "profits" will go to running the >>site. >> >>Please remember that the site is a search for the truth and >>your contributions are very welcome. We will post those we >>feel add to that serious search. >> >>We look forward to finally meeting with you very soon. >> >>Ever >> >> >>Michael S. Sanders >> >>Mysteries of the Bible >>14252 Culver Drive >>Suite A-137 >>Irvine CA 92620 >>U.S.A. >> >>July 1997 >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------